marriage

The face of Asian mixed marriage in British Columbia
By which the author seems to mean White male-Asian (read: Chinese) female marriages.

To Save the Institution of Marriage, You Have to Let Gay People Do It

KFX: “As far as I am concerned all the gay couples around the world campaign to be allowed to perform a legal ceremony of marriage, the ones who have a sense of love and committment between them......they're already married. For all intents an purposes they fulfill the most important part of a marriage. What they are campaigning for is legal recognition of the fact, and as such I fully support them.”

The following is the text of a comment I wrote to that article, though the links have been added.

I'm with Jonathan Rauch, who wrote an excellent book on marriage (and not just gay marriage, but marriage in general), and he argued that marriage has more to do with creating a home and family as well as making a commitment to the community than it does with two people making a commitment to each other. People (not just a man and a woman, but adults of all sexual orientations) who get married are saying to the community "I promise to be the first person at this other person's side when they are in a crisis and I also promise that I will be faithful to them at all times". Sometimes people break promises, and the second promise is especially easy to break. There are social punishments for people who break them. How many people do you know that have slept with someone other than their spouse who have a good reputation in the community because of it?

Rauch in his book argues that marriage has been history's most successful tamer of wild young men, so he argues that social conservatives should really see gay marriage (especially marriage of two gay males) as a social positive: here are two men who have decided that they want to once and for all not fit the stereotype of the male who cruises for sex. Hello! Conservatives! What better institution than marriage is there for people (straight and not straight) who fit that stereotype? Basically he's arguing that to save the institution of marriage, you have to let gay people do it.

James Moore, Canadian Member of Parliament for Port Moody — Westwood — Port Coquitlam, in a remarkable—for an MP, not for him, evidently—email to his constituents: “believe in equality under the law for all Canadians for civil marriages, which in a perfect world would be termed civil unions. And I also believe strongly in the separation of church and state in order to protect the rights of religious institutions and people of faith from having to embrace or perform same-sex marriages if they choose not to.”

Port Moody and Port Coquitlam are suburbs of Vancouver, British Columbia, which may help understand why he focuses on B.C. in his email. Moore opposes use of the term marriage for the legal union between two homosexual adults, but argues that civil unions cannot discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. It's not a compromise I'm fully comfortable with, but Moore is proof that the Conservative Party at least has some room for diversity of opinion on the subject of gays and lesbians. There is a strong-enough conservative argument (as I outlined above) for gay marriage and a strong enough argument that civil unions (a "marriage-lite" solution) is not good enough. Increasing the amount of types of marriage only serves to weaken the institution, as does the exclusion of gays.

Wendy (The Redhead) and Joey (AccordionGuy)
Congratulations to the recently-engaged couple!

Had

In #joiito, the one, the only, AccordionGuy points me to a review of oddities in sports, and, well, you can read for yourself in conjuction with my previous thoughts on marriage: “the whole exercise was a prank. "Many times in NBA arenas you see marriage proposals that result in a happy couple," Washington Wizards vice-president of marketing Ann Nicolaides said. "We thought it would be fun to see the fans' reaction if a marriage proposal went badly. Judging from the response we've had, I think we got everyone's attention."”

This Pressure To Be Emotional, Elaborate And Creative

Julie Leung links to my rant on marriage and has some detailed comments. “I wonder whether the men in these examples cited by Just a Gwai Lo knew their women well. What were they thinking? I think that the best proposal is one that tells a woman how well her man knows and loves her. Some women like to receive this in a public way. But others don't. Any proposal is risky but a public proposal is much riskier - if the man is rejected it will be a bigger deal, a huge hurt and humiliation. Of course, if she accepts, then it's a big deal too, to everyone who's on the train or airplane or wherever.”

Oh, the men obviously didn't discuss marriage before asking their girlfriends to marry them. I have a couple of friends who are going to be together forever (because they were best friends for about a decade before starting dating) who at least talked about what it would be like to get married, usually last thing before going to sleep. (That's what they say, anyway.) His proposal was very public: it happened at the picnic after her university graduation. But the guy covered all the bases: he asked her parents what they thought, and (so the story goes) his parents jokingly threatened to disown him if he didn't marry her. He even asked me what I thought. Me!

Julie again: “Part of the problem might be women's expectations in our culture. Women seem to want all of life to be roses and lace. Romantic. Picture perfect. Knight in shining armor 24/7. At least during dating. Men feel this pressure to be emotional, elaborate and creative. It's a difficult standard for them, probably more natural for some than for others. I think for men it might feel like walking on the moon at times, not knowing how or what to do. How to be The Guy for their gal. How to make her happy. Perhaps these men in their proposals were trying to appeal to the women's hearts with something that they thought would be creative and romantic.”

I agree that the pressure is there, but she makes an overly-broad generalization about women (insert Clerks joke here) and even the generalization itself may be incorrect. Many single women are buying their own homes (or paying for their own mortgages, which is effectively the same thing), many women like hot, successful, confident men (the so-called Alpha Male), and, I dunno, the other evidence I have to prove my point. I admit that her being a woman and my being a man probably helps her case rather than hinders it.

She talks about the buying of rings, and even though she doesn't mention diamonds specifically, I can't help but notice that there is no discussion about whether diamond rings are symbols that unwittingly paint women in a negative light.

Purged, Strengthened And Made Endurable

Two stories about marriage caught my attention recently. No, not that one. First, Dare Obasanjo has the story of seeing a man propose to his girlfriend on the train: “They were engaged in conversation and he was comparing her favorably to ex-girlfriends, then all of a sudden he got down on one knee and pulled out a box with a ring in it. After a stunned silence she took it, said some words softly then said "I appreciate the sentiment but the timing is inappropriate" and handed it back. This was followed by her voicing her concerns about his ability to support them and him rattling of how much he made a month plus various bonuses, etc. I think it went downhill from there.” Then, via Photodude comes this story. There is even video of the event, this being the 21st century and all. For readers who come to this weblog entry and the NBC10 link is dead—first of all, welcome to the future!—let me describe what happened. A woman is blindfolded on an NBA basketball court and is asked to find a mascot. She does, and wins tickets to somethingorother. Then her beau comes out of the costume, takes the microphone, and asks her to marry him. She bolts, going right past the alter, heading down the ramp, and out the door. Okay, that last part was from a movie, but thing is, she ran, and the crowd—evidently—was aghast. Both are funny, but in the sense that the man suffers from public humiliation. Humans think misfortune is funny, especially when it happens to the male of the species. (It's funny when a girl kicks a guy's ass in a movie, but not when it's the other way around, right?)

I'm all for committing to someone. My opinions towards marriage, however, have been radicalized—if slightly—since reading Stranger in a Strange Land. It introduces the idea of being committed not just to someone, but multiple someones. This is from near the end of the book, so hopefully it doesn't ruin it for those that haven't read it. The first speaker is Sam, and the second is Jubal Harshaw, the principal character of the book (after Mike). Sam is an acolyte of Mike's "church":

"One institution won't be damaged. Marriage."
"So?"
"Very much so. Instead it will be purged, strengthened and made endurable. Endurable? Ecstatic! See that wench down there with the long black hair?"
"Yes. I was delighting in its beauty earlier."
"She knows it's beautiful and it's grown a foot and a half since we joined the church. That's my wife. Not much over a year ago we lived together like bad-tempered dogs. She was jealous . . . and I was inattentive. Bored. Hell, we were both bored and only our kids kept us together—that and her possessiveness; I knew she would never let me go without a scandal . . . and I didn't have any stomach for trying to put together a new marriage at my age, anyhow. So I grabbed a little on the side, when I could get away with it—a professor has many temptations, few safe opportunities—and Ruth was quietly bitter. Or sometimes not quiet. And then we joined up." Sam grinned happily. "And I fell in love with my wife. Number-one gal friend!"
Sam had spoken only to Jubal, his words walled by noise. His wife was far down the table. She looked up and said clearly, "That's an exaggeration, Jubal. I'm about number six."
Her husband called out, "Stay out of my mind, beautiful! —we're talking men talk. Give Larry your undivided attention." He threw a roll at her.
She stopped it in orbit, propelled it back. "I'm giving Larry all the attention he wants . . . until later, maybe. Jubal, that brute didn't let me finish. Sixth place is wonderful! Because my name wasn't on his list till we joined the church. I hadn't rated as high as six with Sam for twenty years."
"The point," Sam said quietly, "is that we are now partners, more so than ever were outside—and we got that way through the training, culminating in sharing and growing closer with others who had the same training. We all wind up in partnerships inside the group—usually with spouses-of-record. Sometimes not . . . and if not, the readjustment takes place without heartache and creates a warmer, better relationship between the 'divorced' couple than ever, in bed and out. No loss and all gain."

It's a radical idea, even today, that people can be 'married' or at least committed to more than one person. Marriage is exclusive, meaning that by law, only a certain amount of people (one) are allowed to do it with another number of people (also one). Open marriages such as the one described above reduce the barrier to entry into relationships. The sentence highlighted above shows that: she was happy to be sixth, because otherwise she wouldn't even be on the list (just like how there may be a power law with regards to blogging, but as compared to say, TV or newspapers, the barrier to entry is very low). In other words, it's not how you place, but whether or not you finish that matters, and open relationships, married or not, allow for more people to finish.

On what principle can we—can I—justify denying the ability and, more importantly, the propriety of people loving more than one person? Nate quotes a Malcolm Gladwell where the latter says “institutions [...] are where we hide when we can't find our principles.” It's a naive question (but naive questions are often the important ones to ask): is there a good explanation for why we are marrying? Or do we do it because, while there may once have been a good reason for doing it, we only do it now because it's the way we've always done it? We can question why these men made fools of themselves so publicly and have a laugh about it, but you'll notice that nobody questions the institution that caused them make fools of themselves.

A Metaphor For Citizenship

Shari Motro: “Singles' rights advocates face an uphill battle because their demands for equality are easily mistaken for anti-marriage assaults. Furthermore, because most Americans, myself included, believe that marriage provides a valuable social framework, many are quick to dismiss challenges to marriage-based benefits as a threat to the institution. Though well intentioned, this impulse makes no sense in the face of current realities.”

I have no problem with the "most" in that paragraph, but the "many" is a little vague. Also, any use of the phrase "common sense" (later on in the article) in a sentence makes my right brow reflexively furrow. Also, there's no mention of the stigma associated with being eternally single—in the "not dating anybody at all" sense—in a world which values coupled—at the very least—units.

Laura Kipnis: “you can also see why conservatives might be getting nervous about the marriage issue. According to the historian Nancy Cott, marriage has long provided a metaphor for citizenship. Both are vow-making enterprises; both involve a degree of romance. Households are like small governments, and in this metaphor, divorce is a form of revolution — at least an overthrow. (Recall that our nation was founded on a rather stormy collective divorce itself, the one from England.) Come November, how many of the disaffected might start wondering if they'd be better off with a different partner? How many will find themselves murmuring those difficult, sometimes necessary (and occasionally liberating) words: "I want a divorce"?”

Daniel Drezner calls bullshit on some of Kipnis' stats as well as the Fukuyama citation.

Dorothy A. Brown: “The politics of tax law are always complicated, of course, but there is no denying that more "traditional" families receive better treatment under the tax code. The marriage bonus is greatest when only one person in a household works outside the home. The marriage penalty is greatest when both husband and wife have jobs and earn roughly equal amounts.”

I love how the last paragraph of the last one doesn't preach in moral terms, but rather appeals to Bush's self (which is to say electoral) interest.

Emotional Affairs

The below is taken from When 'just friends' is wrong, which is a review of Not "Just Friends": Protect Your Relationship from Infidelity and Heal the Trauma of Betrayal by Shirley Glass, from which the following evidently originally appears:

Has your friendship become an emotional affair?

  1. Do you confide more to your friend than to your partner about how your day went?
  2. Do you discuss negative feelings or intimate details about your marriage with your friend but not with your partner?
  3. Are you open with your partner about the extent of your involvement with your friend?
  4. Would you feel comfortable if your partner heard your conversation with your friend?
  5. Would you feel comfortable if your partner saw a videotape of your meetings?
  6. Are you aware of sexual tensions in this friendship?
  7. Do you and your friend touch differently when you're alone than in front of others?
  8. Are you in love with your friend?

I imagine guys don't hang out with their friends—especially their female friends—nearly as much as when the guys get girlfriends because they're worried about what the girlfriend might think, or what the answers to the questions might be (the "wrong" answers would be "yes" to questions 1, 2, 6 and 8, "no" to the other questions) might say about the guy. That goes for women too, I imagine.

Yes, it's the year 2003, and we're supposed to be civilized and mature about these things, and people are supposed to have unproblematically platonic relationships with friends of the opposite sex. But when it comes down to perceptions, well, perceptions, as they always have, matter.

John T. Molloy on Women, Sex and Marriage

Anne Kingston has been on a roll lately. There are so many quote-worthy sections of this article on a book by a man giving women advice on how to get married that, instead of making you read the whole thing, I'll quote them here. It's The National Post's own fault for not archving their articles longer than 2 weeks. (You are now free to point to this entry whenever I complain about people violating someone's copyright. I freely admit to hypocrisy in pretty much every aspect of my life.)

The first paragraph quoted makes (or at least will make) me feel a lot more attractive to women of marrying age.

It is chock-a-block with information that should be obvious to any thinking person. First, women who want to marry must target only "the marrying kind." That means seeking out men in the optimum "commitment" age zone. High-school graduates become amenable to marriage around age 23; for college graduates it's later, 28 to 33; professionals with post-graduate education are inclined to pop the question between 30 and 36. After age 38, the odds of a man marrying for the first time declines. If he's over 43, you've got a challenge on your hands. You also want a guy whose background matches yours and whose parents have been happily married. If his friends and siblings are married, that bodes well.

At this writing, I am a college graduate who is 25 years old. That means there are at least 3 years before I will become of prime marrying age. A friend (who gets his third shout out in as many weeks), the very one who turned me on to Danielle Crittenden will have confirmed something he told me. (To remind him, and to pretty much give it away, it has to do with empowerment.) Now, there are some intervening steps needed to be accomplished here (the most significant of which would be actually getting a girlfriend), but turns out I can, as a friend suggested, "have some fun"—she was referring to getting laid, which is pretty much like saying "hey, do something you've been wholly unable to do while you can!"—before getting married.

Oh, not that I feel the need to talk about my family, but at least one couple within it is happily married, and I can count two good friends as being married, and they are the two people in whom I'd place money in their remaining married for the rest of their lives. According to the above, except for not being quite old enough and not having found a girl whose background I share—well, let's not go that far—I'm in pretty good shape.

This is a woman who dresses conservatively, who acts supportively and who makes a great first impression, which means no Jägermeister shots or table dancing on the first date. "Men size a woman up very early," Molloy says. "Sometimes they change their mind, but very seldom. If you're seen as a slut, you can't dig your way out with a crane."

Let's repeat that last sentence just so that it gets nice and emphasized: “If you're seen as a slut, you can't dig your way out with a crane.”

But even after you've attracted a "marrying kind" of man, women still have to seal the deal. And that involves the classic "If you really love me, you'll marry me ultimatum," with the threat that you'll walk if he won't.

Even though I have no clue how they do it, since it's only happened to me once, I'm interested in how girls express their interest in a guy, or at least force them into a position in which they need to make a move. The only time I can remember this happening—there may have been others, and if so, my brain decided I'm on a need-to-know basis—is when watching a movie with a girl back in high school, and, sitting next to each other on the couch, she made it almost physically impossible for me to put her arm around me. Devious, but I gotta give credit where credit is due.

"I thought men and women had changed so much. But men haven't changed at all. Oh, they recognize women have careers, but that's about it." Even women who dress for success and who are assertive in their work life, he says, expect men to take the lead in romance -- to make the first call, to pick them up, to treat them like princesses.

Wait! Let me get this straight: even after almost a half-century of feminism and sexual revolution, women still want men to take the lead in romance? Taking it further, then, à la Crittenden, that must mean that men are still willing to trade commitment in order to get sex. That also tends to go against what Bill Maher has said about prostitution, i.e. that women essentially trade sex for the ability to buy new shoes. I wonder when—or even if—at some point women decided to switch from prioritizing commitment to prioritizing a new pair of shoes in exchange for sex.

Its on this ground that I'm shakiest, and may require a rereading of Crittenden. This also gives me the opportunity to say that I freely admit to being on shaky grounds as regards the history and significance of the sexual revoltion. (Remember, inverse relationship...) It is refreshing, however, to see an article in which the word "slut" retains its original pejoritive sense rather than being embraced or re-appropriated to serve a political (or sexual) agenda.

John T. Molloy, the subject of the above-quoted article, has a few articles available too, none of which I will pretend to have read. Yet.