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Like Some Lame Remix Project

February 25, 2004

Justin replies to my correction: “none of it disputes the fact that the Grey Album heavily samples the Beatle's White Album without permission. I may have fumbled some of my points, but I am most interested in the real legal implications of music such as this because I like it. The more I listen to the record the more I think it is groundbreaking, but it is important not to trample upon other artists' works.”

The legal implications are being discussed at length, and rightly so: the greatest rock band in history and one of the greatest rappers in history were combined to make something that may appeal to generations that grew up on either. The legal implications have to do with copyright, but are also cultural implications. How many people are discovering The Beatles (The White Album) through the "rap version" of it, and how many people are going to think that The Grey Album was the original? I can only speak for myself, but the prospect of Jay-Z's The Black Album wasn't very compelling other than the Timbaland and Neptunes productions, but, before listening to The Grey Album, I hadn't heard any of the original beats. (Still haven't.) Most rap fans will probably have heard the original first, but not me: I'm going to hear the originals and, despite knowing intellectually that what I'm hearing is the beat Jay-Z wanted, that the "original", almost metal version of "99 Problems" that uses "Helter Skelter" as its basis, rocks so much more than its real original?? For a lot of Internet geeks, and especially Internet geeks into hiphop, The Grey Album will feel like the way Jay-Z intended the album to be, and The Black Album will seem like some lame remix project.

tags: Danger Mouse, Jay-Z

1,000 Samples

February 25, 2004

Justin: “securing permission for samples used in dance music isn't anything new. Take DJ Shadow, an artist well known for digging, a term for the process of searching through rooms of records for obscure samples. Permission to use each and every sample regardless of age or rarity has to be obtained before DJ Shadow's records are released. DJ Danger Mouse himself never expected his record would be released. The permission requirement has been blamed for stifling dance music's growth in the recording industry and more generally it is one of the issues being voiced in the Grey Tuesday protest. In the case of dance music, I think it has more to do with the fact that dance music by its very nature wants to be in the club. But even conceding that limiting free use of prior work hinders future creativity, I don't think it justifies releasing music that samples without permission and the EMI's actions do not justify making the same publicly available free of cost.”

DJ Shadow does not receive permission to use most of the samples he uses, especially the really obscure ones, simply because he doesn't ask for it. He uses the samples in the hope that a) nobody will notice and b) that the sample is short-enough or manipulated enough that it becomes an instrument rather than copying. All the ones on the liner notes of his albums and productions are ones that he acknowledges using and got sample clearance for. From the man himself: “ there's probably 1,000 samples on "Endtroducing ..." and I think we cleared 10 or so.” There is an underground movement to catalogue all of the samples used in DJ Shadow's songs, and I'd link to it if the URL didn't change weekly (check the DJ Shadow Samples email list for details) since Shadow, while he knows about the site, hasn't authorized the site. I've read an interview—it may have been a chatlog—where he says the idea is cool, but he doesn't need the info getting into the wrong hands.

tags: DJ Shadow, Danger Mouse

Grey

February 23, 2004

This site is more grey than it normally is in support of Grey Tuesday. This site does not and will not contain copies of Jay-Z and DJ Danger Mouse's Grey Album, but some other sites are hosting it today.

tags: Danger Mouse, Jay-Z
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